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[rox] Re: [mindecos] Picsie and Andrius chat about WOW and HWW


Great conversation!

I followed some paths through your output from the Brain. I am a little puzzled about it -- perhaps I missed something. The paths all seem circular -- referring to each other -- and not to have definitions or other grounding individually. Is that just because of the development stage you are at now with it?



On Monday, April 12, 2004, at 03:24 PM, Andrius Kulikauskas wrote:

Picsie and I interview each other about our networks, PICSIE and Minciu
Sodas. We're interested how such networks can work together.

I chat about Working Openly Web
and Picsie chats about "Halls Without Walls", a way of physically
meeting to bring together our visions and have an artist help make that
visual. We look forward to meeting during this coming year! Perhaps as
early as the Oekonux conference in May in Vienna, Austria.

Also, I will add briefly that our lab's proposal for (on
Multilingual Instigators) was not accepted. Nor was my proposal for
Free Bitflows.


Picsie: Where shall we begin?

Andrius: What would you like to chat about?

Picsie: Ok... :: Am interested in how we work in parallel...

Andrius: Yes

Picsie: There is MindEcos / PICSIE / Elvenstone / Minciu Sodas /
On-Demand :: How can we all create what we do as individual networks...
:: and still come together at times... :: to add value to each other. ::
And I'm sure there are hundreds other more networks out there asking the
same thing.

Andrius: Yes, that's very much what I think about. :: Why we didn't
chat about that in the broad sense :: and in particular how the two of
us might work together.

Picsie: OK. :: For me... :: It's establishing what the PICSIE
network does... :: What our branding is so to speak... :: so that people
are clear on where the value is. :: Same too for Minciu Sodas. :: And
make this clear to everyone. :: To provide everyone with an entry
point... :: that they can 'visualise'... :: how it all hangs together.
:: So that they can see the rapid formation... :: of the Global Brain ::

Andrius: I think each of our groups and networks :: has its own
purpose. :: For example, Minciu Sodas serves and organizes independent
thinkers :: and we foster our shared value of "caring about thinking" ::
so that places us on a conceptual map.

Picsie: Yes. I actually wrote this down last night.

Andrius: We get things done :: as an open laboratory with a culture of
investigation :: and as a networking club that leverages our working
openly :: while looking for private opportunity :: for individuals and

Picsie: So in Bala's guys are makers.

Andrius: For us to work that way effectively :: we need to leverage our
network :: very productively. :: That means that we have to go beyond
our own network :: and reach out to other networks. :: For this reason
we become immediately interested :: in the question that you raised

Picsie: You need other minds to resource the problems.

Andrius: and you know that I've worked hard on that.

Picsie: Yes.

Andrius: Independent thinkers have three needs: :: A) their projects
get bigger than can fit in one mind :: B) they want to turn their dreams
into reality so they need a social framework :: they need to be
interested in what other people are up to :: C) they need to make a
living in one way or another.

Picsie: With you there.

Andrius: The making a living part :: requires a broader reach that goes
beyond :: just independent thinkers. :: So we need to hook up with other
networks :: that have their own purposes :: but can probably meet us
halfway :: because "caring about thinking" is pretty core. :: What I've
been focusing on is the :: Open People network :: because that defines
the expectations :: that we need in order to work openly :: especially
generation of content into :: online locations so that its in the Public
Domain. :: This defines the minimum that we need :: in order to work
openly together :: which is to say :: get those networks to be able to
work together :: without any extra resources needed. :: Next, I've
started to map this out :: with the Working Openly Web that I showed
you. :: :: So for example we
can map out the interests :: of individuals and groups. :: We can show
which groups are directly :: "working openly" :: and which are
supportive and why. :: We can point to the venues that are best designed
:: for working openly. :: We can list our skills. :: Each week I'll be
trying to upload new data :: and improve the functionality. :: For
example, this week I hope to :: include within each "page" :: a page
from the web that relates. :: For example, it could be a Wiki page ::
from one of the relevant Wikis. :: In particular, I'm focusing on
providing the information :: for getting work for individual software
developers :: and teams of them :: especially temporary part-time work.
:: Over.

Picsie: Thank you for this Andrius. :: As you were speaking two
things came to me. :: 1) Each network needs to clarify its vision and
its approach to realising this vision :: 2) We need a summit at which
you, me, Bala and the 'sourcers' of the other network... :: can meet
face-to-face and create our shared vision. :: How does this feel?

Andrius: Yes, both our good. :: I'd very much appreciate your help in
collecting information :: from various networks :: that I could
integrate into the WOW Working Openly Web. :: And also, regarding
meeting, :: I'll include an event calendar :: so that we can know where
each of us will be :: and can take advantage of opportunities

Picsie: Yes, that's important.

Andrius: especially because some like me have no budget.

Picsie: Bala and I intend to resource funds to travel Europe this

Andrius: But I'll be speaking at Oekunux in May in Vienna

Picsie: May is an important month.

Andrius: and we'll have a workshop there. :: And many others will be there

Picsie: Or rather...I am choosing it to be :)

Andrius: interested in this kind of laternative economics.

Picsie: What date in May?

Andrius: I hope we might meet there. :: I think May 20-23 :: Yes

Picsie: I have now put that in my diary and have set my intention to
be there. :: I also intend to be in Munich on 6th May and Holland on
19th June.


Picsie: We've got a European tour going on here!

Andrius: What's in Munich on May 6 ? :: I'm also figuring out my travel

Picsie: I am meeting with Dory and her group of expats in Bavaria.
:: Great woman...will send you a link...hang on... ::

Andrius: Thank you. :: Picsie, Tell me about your network!

Picsie: Love to! :: I have only just arrived on the scene in many
ways... :: January this year. :: And it all started with Bala. :: And
this led to a huge shift in my consciousness... :: that allowed me to
step into my personal vision... :: which is to support the building of
social networks... :: throughout the world... :: and gather around me
energisers... :: who can help sustain them. :: At present my key role is
resourcing... :: minds, finance, opportunities, ideas and so on. :: To
this end... :: We are organising PICSIE events... :: They're actually
celebrations or parties though:) :: And in creating these... :: we are
creating waves... :: and income... :: to support the development of the
network... :: as well as raising funds... :: to support my travel
throughout Europe this summer. :: I am currently energising some of the
most wonderful minds in Scotland... :: to come together and work as one
collective unit... :: solving problems... :: reaching out to schools and
young people... :: creating what I call Transformance Workshops... ::
uniting children with women and business... :: That's the future... ::
remove the boundaries and the linear projections... :: from school -
university - business.

Andrius: Excellent!

Picsie: They are all the same. :: We are just people... :: with
individual dreams and talents... :: looking to live together in
supportive, loving communities... :: that allow us to grow and develop
and realise our natural potential. :: And that felt amazing to write
that! Tears in my eyes. :: That was source.

Andrius: Do you have a website?

Picsie: :: but it's 'down' just now.

Andrius: Are you on Ryze?


Andrius: Thank you!

Picsie: This is how I see it... :: Each network energises its own...
:: We source our thinkers... :: our resources... :: our designers and
leaders... :: And we connect them... :: and then put on the Halls
Without Walls events... :: to raise finance... :: to create the
collaborative... :: inspiring... :: awe-making... :: history making...
:: actions.. :: that allow us to create the on-line spaces... :: for us
to gather together... :: and play, learn, create... :: and solve the
biggest challenges we face as a species... :: poverty... :: suffering...
:: Aids... :: Cancer :: And so on.

Andrius: I like the Halls without Walls events.

Picsie: Yes, I love them.

Andrius: I think it would be great to give that title

Picsie: We are creating the visuals to inspire.

Andrius: to events that our colleagues are organizing :: that meet our
standards for our vision :: in terms of opportunities for interaction.

Picsie: Have you seen the current visual?

Andrius: No.

Picsie: I'll send it to you. :: Created by Eileen Clegg...

Andrius: For example, the Oekunux meeting could :: include such an event.

Picsie: a visual journalist. :: Absolutely.

Andrius: And Shannon Clark and Jack Vinson :: are organizing Mesh Forum
in Chicago in October

Picsie: And they can act as micro-events leading up to the creation
of the larger events.

Andrius: for organizing thoughtful research in social networking.

Picsie: Start small...

Andrius: Yes.

Picsie: Start small then get bigger. :: It's natural law.

Andrius: I like to do stuff that I think is awesome :: as opposed to
what other people think. :: So that means they'll be smaller

Picsie: How about this...

Andrius: but also easier to dol.

Picsie: We are putting on small events...

Andrius: That's just my style.

Picsie: called Realising Personal Vision... :: at which we are
gathering visionaries... :: people with imagination... ::
children...mothers...young people... :: to create a
visual representation... :: of our individual visions... :: and see how
these complement one another... :: We are going to have an artist... ::
create them on large canvases... :: and these canvases... :: can be
re-created... :: at all the HWW events... :: and we keep adding ... ::
and adding... :: to them... :: people all round the world... :: can put
up their vision... :: then we can see how we complement one antoher. ::
Our first event... :: is in two weeks... :: and we will record all the
conversations... :: and dialogues... :: and dreams... :: in all media...
:: sound, vision etc... :: then create CDRoms... :: to share... :: and
spread to other key visionaries... :: who can then take the structure...
:: and replicate it throughout the world... :: feeding the information
and knowledge... :: into an HWW repository... :: on-line and off-line...
:: that can energise and inspire! :: over

Andrius: That sounds nice. I like that you're making good use of art.
:: Question: Who will own the art? :: And all that material?

Picsie: No-one and everyone.

Andrius: I strongly recommend :: making it explicit :: that the
material will be Public Domain :: because that means

Picsie: I agree full-heartedly.

Andrius: that everybody will be able to use it :: without asking for
permission. :: Currently the law says that by default :: it is protected
by Copyright. :: So it might be good to even have

Picsie: Yes, protectionism is a burden.

Andrius: a form where it's a requirement :: to sign that :: the
material will be given away :: to the Public Domain. :: This means that
people are :: consciously contributing :: It also self-selects people ::
who are generous :: and those are the people :: to invest in first.

Picsie: Exactly. It acts as a sieve.

Andrius: Yes :: without ruling anybody out. :: It's very important to
make that explicit :: so that all the participants are aware :: and
think about the implications. :: And then we can truly :: use and reuse
that :: and work as a global team

Picsie: Thank you for this Andrius. You're absolutely right.

Andrius: or global brain as you say.

Picsie: OK...I have to go. :: I have a call to make.

Andrius: I'll share this.

Picsie: Please do.

Andrius: We're in touch.

Picsie: Peace.

Andrius: Peace.

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